Sadly I don't know what any of that means, but my fix seems to work. The last else-if was actually an else which means if you replace it with just an exclusive if you don't get anything at all then the position is not 'subsequent'. Given that that switch doesn't exist yet, we'll all have to do with messy -)īetter organizing the style repository is a recurring request and I believe a good, very feasible improvments that would help people find styles or at least styles similar to their needs.Īctually, that's not quite accurate and does not work for me. The concern in forking is not quantity of styles, but the question of how to maintain these styles: Who is going to maintain 30 different Chicago styles if the CMS changes? So the ideal would be to have as little forking as possible and a toggle switch for ibid would be one rather efficient way to achieve this. transport it to computer B on a flash drive or e-mail and just drag it to FF there). You will have to install the file on both your computers, but you can use the same file (e.g. Here are instructions for simple modifications in csls You don't even have to know where the file is. Perhaps some sub-folders, as a start? That might allow for greater diversity within forks without much added confusion. There are no comments or explanations, other than a single pop-up example (which is limited in scope). Perhaps one solution would be a better way of organizing the style library webpage? It's difficult to know what you're getting, as it is. I think it would be great if people like Bruce could more easily share these discoveries with others, so novices and technophobes (I'm the former) can get to work more easily and quickly. We don't always get a choice in how we format things for submission. Zotero will simply have to accommodate the infinite possibilities out there if it's to truly catch on. I sympathize with the desire to keep things 'neat,' but really, some degree of messiness can't be avoided with styles. I will try to do what you suggest, but what file am I looking to edit, and where does it live? I have 2 computers: is it different on Windows and OS X, or can I do the editing just once? I believe Endnote has this choice as a simple checkbox, so I misread the word 'switch.' I'm grateful for the help. I've only been using Zotero for about 3 days, so no worries: it's me, not you. Not sure if that's a good idea I leave that to others with more involvement in the styles' development to work out. There is, though, a third option that might be worth considering: removing ibid support from the default Chicago styles.

So what I've done is simply to remove the ibid-related conditions.Īs I said, though, I don't consider creating forked styles a very good long-term solution. That avoids having to do the only other solution I have for this case, which is to create a new style, and change this: Ibid is much less evil, but I do think CSL implementations should add a user option to turn off ibid handling. is evil, and I don't believe it's incorporated into many styles. (I haven't found any other differences between it and Chicago just yet.) When the SBL style gets fixed, you might try it for a short title version of the one you are using. Refreshing after re-ordering consistently gives this result. (In SBL, Short titles are used rather than Ibid. For me it uses Ibid when I first make subsequent citations, but when I reorder them, it uses a full citation for the first note, a citation with a short title for the second note, and a an ibid for the third note. I tested your problem out on the CMS-note+biblio derivative I use (Society of Biblical Literature) and got an even more mixed up result. America it at least has a bad flu.Ģ) The 'Zotero Refresh' button on the Zotero Word toolbar is meant to solve your ibid problem, but I'm not sure if it quite does (try it). Ibid may not be on death's door, but in N. ('Some writers still use 'ibid.' to shorten a citation to a work whose bibliographical data appear in the immediately previous note.') At this point they're descriptive not prescriptive. (Note that discussion on that last link also says that Turabian-7 falls short of condemning Ibid entirely. There was some talk of implementing a Zotero preference to turn Ibid on and off, eliminating the duplication of styles.

It looks like that the version you want doesn't exist yet. Apparently that's a CMS note style without bibliography, which is not what you want. It's not one that is included by default yet, but you can include it by clicking the install tag. 1) There is a CMS 'no ibid' style on the Zotero styles page.

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